Scott Cain Highlight

Have you ever wondered how is it to run a city? Tornados, storms, or pandemics cannot stop you from protecting the people living there. What kind of person does a city need to feel safe and in constant improvement? I’m not sure about the perfect recipe, but I’m sure it includes a true calling and a high vision. Today, Cleburne’s Mayor, Scott Cain invites us to the intimacy of his office and shares his human side, serving us with his personal advice not only to build a better city but also how to be a better person following God’s plan and making good use of our talents and live a fulfilling life. 

My advice is to set goals and stretch your legs with goals, but don’t get so caught up in where you’re going that you miss the journey.

– Scott Cain

Scott Cain is the mayor of the City of Cleburne, Texas, and he was first elected as mayor in May of 2012. He is the managing partner of Cain Associates, attorneys at law. He’s an adjunct professor at Southwestern Adventist University in Keen where he teaches business law. His areas of practice include civil litigation, trials, appeals, business, real estate, railroads, estate planning, probate. He’s an author, and his latest book, Cleburne Baseball, A Railroader History.

Questions I asked

  • What was your life goal when you were young?
  • What made you come back to Cleburne?
  • What makes you proud of Cleburne?
  • If you had a giant billboard, what would you try to communicate to the world?

Key Takeaways

  • How to deal with interpersonal conflicts
  • How to feel renewed in your middle age 
  • How to be involved and improve your community
  • What is the most important time of your life

Connect with Mayor Scott Cain

Check out his Facebook page
Hire his law firm, Cain and Associates
Buy his book Cleburne Baseball, A Railroader History

Links Mentioned

Cleburne 
Southwestern Adventist University in Keen 
Texas Wesleyan University School of Law. 
Christian College in Dallas
Field Street Baptist Church
Fred Rogers

Episode Transcript

Will:

Greetings, all. My name is Will Woods. I’m your host today. Thank you for joining me on RenewedDaily.blog where it’s my job to sit down with people who I greatly admire and who are at the top of their field. The goal is to tease out what makes them successful to uncover any habits that they’ve developed to achieve the high level of success and to learn about maybe their mentors who helped shape their lives or to discover what books they’ve read that helps shape their thinking.

Will:

My guest today is Mr. Scott Cain. Mr. Cain is the mayor of the city of Cleburne. He was first elected as mayor in May of 2012. Coming up for 10 years as mayor. He is the managing partner of Cain Associates, attorneys at law. He’s an adjunct professor at Southwestern Adventist University in Keen where he teaches business law.
His areas of practice include civil litigation, trials, appeals, business, real estate, railroads, estate planning, probate. He was educated at Texas Wesleyan University School of Law. He earned his bachelor of arts from Christian College in Dallas. During my research, I also discovered that he’s an author, and his latest book, Cleburne Baseball, A Railroader History was released in February of ’17.
You can find him on Facebook as Scott Cain, Cleburne Mayor. Scott, thank you for joining me today and carving out a few minutes to visit with me.

Mayor Scott Cain:
Thanks, Will. It’s great to be with you and I look forward to visiting with you this morning.

Will:
Well, I want to be real respectful of your time and let you get back to serving your clients and seeing to the business of the city. So I’d like to start with you taking us back to 18 year old Scott Cain. You graduated from Cleburne High I understand.

Mayor Scott Cain:
Correct.

Will:
What was your goal at that stage in your life? Was law and politics in your mind at that stage?

Mayor Scott Cain::

Oh my goodness. So yeah, like many 18 year olds, I wasn’t really sure which direction I was going. At that time, I had really dug deep in discipleship with my faith. I had a youth pastor that had really invested in me and I started serving at the church. I was at Field Street and then moved to my dad’s and was at a Baptist Church. So we started doing some lay ministry work in Texas and Oklahoma.
I started working towards a degree of Biblical studies. I thought, at that time, that God was setting me towards a path to be a pastor. Well, I learned decades later that God had a different plan and I needed to adjust my thinking and get where God’s plan for my life was. If I could share that with you, it’s kind of an interesting story.

Will:

Absolutely.

Mayor Scott Cain::

A number of years ago, I had a really good friend of mine … because I was an associate pastor for several years during college and a little bit after college. She asked me. She said, “Do you feel like God has called you to be a lawyer?” I told my friend, I said, “Well, what you’re really asking is why did I leave vocational ministry.” She’s like, “Oh, no, no.” I’m like, “No, that’s a legitimate question.”


There wasn’t anything nefarious or bad. I don’t really know. At the time, I told her. I said, “I can’t tell you if I’m in God’s plan A for my life or plan B, but I know I’m where I’m supposed to be today.” Well, fast forward about five years after that conversation, I had a client that I didn’t’ know very well that had a national business, and he called me and told me he had some workers in New Orleans. One of them hit a power line working at 50 feet and died, and he didn’t know what to do.

Long story short, I really felt that I needed to get on a plane and go down there and be there. So I literally, with clothes on my back, went to the airport, caught the last flight out of Lovefield and went to New Orleans, and waited for the client to arrive. He didn’t call me back and it was kind of weird. I called my wife from Louis Armstrong Airport and said, “If I don’t hear back, I’m going to hop on a plane in the morning and come back to North Texas.”

Mayor Scott Cain:

But I thought I was going down there to prepare for the inevitable lawsuit, wrongful death lawsuit and to get everybody ready. So I had my lawyer mindset on. The client called me the next morning and I went and interviewed the other workers. It was really interesting because those big burly, roughneck, oil filled type workers were just in tears. They had witnessed a friend of theirs die and I had the opportunity to put my arms around them, pray with them, encourage them.

I shared my faith with them and God opened a door for me to share. I came to realize that was my purpose in going to New Orleans. The legal aspect was just the vehicle to share my faith and to do that. Well, on the way back, the client and I were sitting having dinner and I popped off a lawyer joke. Lawyer jokes are a dime a dozen. I’ve got books on them by the way. I love good lawyer jokes.

Scott (Mayor):

I apologized, and he grabbed me by the shoulder and said, “Why are you doing that?” I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “Do you not know that God made you to be a lawyer?” So I thought about that and we get to the airport and I asked him if I could pray for him. So I put my hand on his shoulder, I prayed for him, and I got ready to go to my car. He literally grabs my shirt and pulls me in and prays for me.

Mayor Scott Cain:

So on the way out of the airport I called my wife, and I’m not a real emotional person. I’m really not, but I literally had to pull over to the side of the road because I’d had so much guilt wondering if I had left vocational ministry, if I had quit on God so to speak, and I’d struggled with that for years. I pulled over and it’s just like the floodgates opened and a burden was lifted off my shoulder.

I called my wife and I told her about that story of the friend that asked me if I was called to be a lawyer. I told her, I said, “I am in God’s plan A for my life. I realized that everything when I was 18 that God did in my life is preparing me for moments like this to do His work and to share a kingdom purpose with others. I realized who am I to tell God what my role in His kingdom is. I just need to be accessible and available.”

Mayor Scott Cain:

So it was like this burden of decades long was off my shoulders. So I think, when I was 18, to answer your question directly, those were formative years where God was really developing and strengthening my faith, and preparing me for His plan and His role. I used to tell my kids, “You can be anything you set your mind to if you work hard enough and you studied and have good work ethics, and you put in the time and effort.”

I realize that was really bad advice. I started telling my boys, “Find out what God created you to do and get in the middle of that. It’s not about our desire, but it’s figuring out how to unleash what God’s purpose for our life is.” So I think, in those formative years, I was really growing close to Christ and really growing. That was the basis of that. I never thought at that time I would be a lawyer. That was so far from my mind.

Will:

Interesting. Thank you for sharing that. I’m curious as to what brought you back to Cleburne. If you grew up here, why was it important to you to kind of come back? You could have gone anywhere and started a practice. Why come back to Cleburne?

Mayor Scott Cain:

When I went through law school, it was an interesting aspect. My step father was a judge in Cleburne for a long time, and grew up here. My grandparents … My grandmother moved here in a covered wagon. Deep roots, and I’d gone off. I like to tell everybody I moved to Dallas long enough to find my wife and figure out how to get back home.

After my step dad died, my mom bought me a series of papers and stuff that I’d written in grade school, and one of them was what do you want to be when you grow up. I was in the car business on the service drive, and I was really struggling with what I wanted to do. I wasn’t happy, I wasn’t fulfilled. I wasn’t challenged and I just didn’t know where to go.

I thought I missed my opportunities to go to law school and to do those things. She handed me a paper and one of them, I think it was like third grade. It said I want to be a lawyer and own my own business. So I told my wife and she laughed at me. We prayed about it, talked about it. So literally she went back to work, put my kid in day school. We sold our house, sold everything. I went to law school. It was a very scary experience.

Mayor Scott Cain:

When I got through law school, an old high school friend of mine, his dad, and my stepdad had started a law practice. He called me and said, “Dad’s going to retire. What do you think about coming back to Cleburne?” Ultimately, it was one of the best decisions we ever made. It was the greatest experience and environment to raise our kids. So it was just opportunities that came up, doors opened and we took chances, and it really paid off.

Will:

Okay. Let me ask about … kind of shift gears a little bit, about conflict and conflict resolution. As a politician, a business leader, attorney, and even in personal life, how do you deal with people who maybe clearly have some kind of ax to grind with you, who come after you with the most awful, off the wall kind of comments and accusations?

Will:

Are you one of those guys that just kind of it rolls off your back? How do you deal with that type of interpersonal conflict?

Mayor Scott Cain:

So by nature I’m a people pleaser, and conflict eats me alive internally. So I have to kind of compartmentalize it. When I first ran for reelection in 2014 the first time, I really thought people liked me because I care about people and I really try to do the right thing. I was a little naïve and I had some people come out, especially on social media. It was just hateful. It was really tough and it took me a while to make that adjustment.

When you think about going to trial, your job appears to be to tear down as opposed to build up, which is counterintuitive for me. I’ve tried a lot of cases, but I did a couple things. I promised my wife, if I ever got jaded or to the point that I didn’t care about the person I was cross examining and tearing up on the stand, and see them as a unique child that God has created, and a mother, father, a person if you will, that I would quit. That was it.

I always tried to keep that perspective, to always be respectful and to attack the issues and not attack the person.

Ironically, I’ve had a lot of people that I’ve beat in the courtroom or torn up in a deposition that ended up hiring me as a client. I would hope that a lot of that was because I treated them with respect and attacked the issues and not the personality, and not just having some success. But on the political arena, it’s a whole different deal.

Mayor Scott Cain:

My youngest son, when I first got into office, he was eight or nine, 10 years old. He really had a hard time when people would unload on me on social media. I told him, I said, “Son, what you’ve got to remember is they’re not mad at your dad. They’re mad at the mayor. It’s just the position that I hold.” But then I would tell them, “When they praise the mayor, that’s the position.” I would try to make that distinction.

So I’ve had to learn to be comfortable with … and it still stings and hurts, but I’ve tried to be comfortable that I am doing what God has called me to do, what’s in the best interest of the community or my clients, and be able to look at myself in the mirror. So I’ve always had a philosophy of, if somebody could teach you or criticize you, instead of getting defensive and building up walls, which is a natural human nature, I look at it as an opportunity to improve.

Sometimes on social media, on the mayor thing politically, we’re so polarized that America has gotten addicted to outrage and we bunker in.

Mayor Scott Cain:

Nobody really listens to what the other side says and I always try to listen to the opposite viewpoint because it tends to sharpen my position and helps me to understand where the other side is coming from. I don’t have to agree with them, but I need to listen to them.

So I would say the two things that I really look at in conflict resolution is, one, I try to attack the issues and not the person, and I try to redirect those attacks and look at it from, they’re trying to … maybe not artfully, but they’re trying to attack an issue. I try to understand where they’re coming from.

If I can understand and walk in their shoes for a mile, I don’t have to agree with their position, but I can better articulate mine and can better look for compromise and consensus. So, that’s kind of how I look at it.

Will:

Have you ever felt like your life has been capped and thought, okay my greatest accomplishments are past and now it’s just a downward coast to the end? I guess I’m saying this because maybe this is me knocking on middle age kind of thing that I think, okay this is it. Now I’m coasting until death comes.

You’ve got 10 to 12 years on me. What advice would you give? Have you ever felt that way? Does any of that ring true to you?

Mayor Scott Cain:

Yeah. Will, it does. As you get to middle age and beyond, you’ve got more in the rearview mirror than you do in the front windshield. I’ve gone through a period, I’ve lost most of my family. My father is still alive. I’ve lost my mother, my stepfather, my grandparents, my aunts. I’m not really close with my one sibling. Well, we’re not close at all.

The way I kind of equate it for me is I found myself getting a little depressed about it. There were things that I wanted to do that were no longer in reach. Physically, about 10 years ago, I was a competitive wakeboarder with my boys. I wanted to get on the pro tour as a veteran, as an older rider, and I wanted to land a backflip. I can do spins, board grabs, and all these different tricks, but I never landed a back roll.

I came to the point where physically it was just off the table. My body, I can’t do it. So I wasn’t able to check that box. Politically, there was a time that I thought early on it would be really … I had visions of really being able to go to a statewide office, maybe even run for governor one day. Those are kind of off the table now with where I am, and I’m totally fine with it, at peace about it. You find yourself looking back a lot.

Finally, I had a breakthrough moment, and I kind of looked at it. I’m a big football fan, and I thought, you come in with this game plan when you go to enter a game and you want to do X, Y, and Z and accomplish it. You go in at halftime and you reflect back on what worked, what didn’t, but then you make adjustments and you’ve only got half of the game left. So you make those adjustments to make the most of the second half.

Mayor Scott Cain:

So I went through a period where I hit the pause button. I reflected on the misfires career-wise, life-wise. I reevaluated my goals for the rest of my life and what I could do. So with family, instead of looking at all the family I’ve lost and missing them, I decided to look forward. I’ve got my kids getting to the marrying age, grandkids. So I started changing my focus to reflect on what I can do to invest in that generation that can have an impact beyond my life, and what I can do in service to the community and make the most of the moments that I have.

But also there comes a little bit of wisdom. I’m struggling right now because I burn the candle at both ends with teaching, running a law practice. I also run a title company and the city. I’m trying to be realistic that I’m having to find time to exercise, adjust my schedule to run the marathon, so to speak, instead of the sprint. But I’m trying to adjust my goals to be realistic, to be valuable, and I feel like I got some kind of wind in my sails now that I’ve readjusted my goals.

So for you and those that are at that point, as you start making that transition when you get into your 40s, it can be really dominating your thought process when you think, I’ve got less time ahead and I’m kind of on borrowed time.

Instead, reevaluate, set some realistic short term, long term goals for the second half and get ready to do what you can while you can. The second half is different, Will. It’s very different. 

I heard it said one time that … Some of the best advice I ever heard. Sit down, write your own eulogy for your funeral and then, every day the rest of your life, update and rewrite it.

Mayor Scott Cain:

what’s going to be said, not so much about me, but I want to be a good steward of the opportunities that God’s placed before me and I want to make the most of those. So I really look at it from that perspective, but it’s tough. It’s a struggle.

Will:

For reference, we’re recording this on March 11, 2021 where a few weeks ago we weathered a horrible winter storm across the state of Texas, losing power in many places. Mayor, what are you most proud of when it comes to how the city that you lead responded to that crisis? At least at my house, we didn’t lose power and Cleburne was never under a boil water notice. It seems exceptional because every other community seemed to be under boiling water.

Will:

But from your perspective, what are you the most proud of as we think about that storm?

Mayor Scott Cain:

The thing that I’m most proud of and that I think will be the legacy that I hope to leave from my time in office is the staff that we’ve assembled and our city employees. From the city manager all the way down to the wastewater technician. We really have a remarkable staff that serves this community that are committed to excellence and customer service.

That commitment to excellence and community service is really what it’s about. I challenged them … I guess it’s been a couple of months. I said, “We have really laid the foundation to prepare for growth that Cleburne is about to experience. So I challenged them to go to the next step and become the city by which all other cities measure success.

They really took it to heart and they really work as a team. So I think that’s what I’m most proud of. Throughout Texas, you had boil notices, you had a lot of cities that were in a real bad place, but our city really did a tremendous job. So you put good people around you and in good positions and they’ll do great things. Then you let them do their thing.

Will:

What about the COVID-19? Here we are a year into this. It’s unbelievable. Is there anything in hindsight? I think, overall, we were just like everybody else, trying to do our best. But is there anything in hindsight that you wish maybe had been done differently or communication had been different in terms of maybe between the city and the county, and in all of that? How do you feel like, as you kind of look back and kind of reflect on that went well, that didn’t. Anything comes to mind?

Mayor Scott Cain:

Yeah. Kind of peeling the curtain back a little bit, everything looked really great to the average person. They didn’t see a lot of the struggle and a little bit of a power struggle, if you will, behind the scenes. I’m really protective of our community and I think having gone through that 2013 tornado, I pretty much have told the federal government, state government, “You guys stay out of our way. Let us work on the problem. If we need resources, we’ll let you know, but let us manage it.”

I told my state counterparts, county and kind of up the political food chain, if you will, “Hey, leave Cleburne alone. We’ve got this. We can handle our part. You guys worry about something else, but leave us alone.” I laid out a plan. 

So every decision that I made, I want to ask three questions. We stayed true with this all the way through. I said, “One, how does this decision or mandate protect the health and safety of our community?” There were two parts to that. I told them, I said, “We’re not going to keep people from getting COVID. That ship has sailed. How do we protect the most vulnerable and how does this order help protect the most vulnerable?”

“Second, how does this keep us from creating our healthcare system?” The way I described it was, if I have a heart attack and all of my firemen are isolated because they got COVID, there’s nobody to get me to the hospital. So how do we keep the system going? That was question number one. The second question started out with how do we tamp down fear.

Mayor Scott Cain:

Then, as it moved on, we tweaked it a little bit. How do we communicate efficiently, effectively and accurately? So how does this communicate information for the community? Then the third one is what is the economic impact? That was the last one, but we’re issuing orders. I wanted to have the least restrictive orders we could to work with our business community and do that.

So the frustrating thing that I had was we had a good system in place and things were happening so rapid a year ago that I always believe that government is often the problem and not the solution. So I told my staff let’s ask the community before we mandate. Mandate is the last resort. Let’s work with them, communicate, and get information, because none of us know what’s going on with this. We’re all learning on the fly.

The first frustrating thing I had was it got so politicized and you had a lot of political leaders that it was a bit of a power grab. I think, when you go through crisis, you see what a leader does and doesn’t do. Some people rise to the challenge and lead by example, and lead by support. Others become tyrant, to be blunt.

Mayor Scott Cain:

I had this mentality of, hey, I’ll take care of Cleburne. You guys worry about everything else. Just hands off, local control. We’ll get it handled. I believe in my people and we’ll get it done.

Then they went to this concept of essential and non essential business. I sent messages to the governor’s office, the county judge, and told everybody that’s a bad idea. I said, “You can’t do that because, one, every job, every business is essential. But more importantly, we don’t operate as a society because this is essential, this is not essential. That’s not in our concept, and you’re trying to change societal rules on the fly, on the dime, and you can’t do that.”

I said, “We’ve got to approach this crisis by spreading people out, reducing occupancy levels to kind of mitigate and manage this. That’s the only way. People get that.” So I told them, I said, “Let’s lower occupancy caps in businesses and restaurants, like with our churches.” I said very early on, you can’t tell the church it can’t meet. One, that’s unconstitutional. Two, that’s a vital part of our lives. I said, “But let’s handle it at an occupancy level.”

So I communicated with our pastors and shared ideas about spreading out through the facility and going to New Testament style small groups and spreading out so that we’re not all in large super spreader type events. But as it progressed, I got overridden by the governor and other orders, and it was really frustrating because I really felt like I had my finger on the pulse. Governor Adit doesn’t know Cleburne and our community on what our needs are.

Mayor Scott Cain:

As it progressed, it became very politicized. It just became untenable. In fact, when we got … Several months ago, a lot of people don’t know this, but I went to our counsel. This was about three or four or five months ago back in the fall. I said, “Look, the governor is managing this from Austin and we’re far enough along now that any orders that I would make under emergency orders are really policy orders, and our government is not designed for one person to run our government. We’re just not wired that way.”

So I said, “Let’s continue the emergency resolution so that the funding flows and everything, but put a restriction that I’m not allowed to issue mandates unless we have open discourse, public discourse and debate by counsel, because those are policy considerations. So I gave my emergency powers back to the governing board.

Will:

Well, I really appreciate all of your leadership through the storm and through the COVID deal. I really appreciate your communication through social media and trying to keep everybody informed that way. As we kind of draw things to a close here, our time has quickly gone by and, again, I want to be real respectful of your time. I like to ask this question of folks. If you had a giant billboard or you could get a message out to the world metaphorically speaking. Maybe it would just be a message that would be displayed on everybody’s smartphone for an extended period of time. What image, what message, what phrase, what would you try to communicate to the world?

Mayor Scott Cain:

Enjoy the journey. Enjoy the journey. I gave a keynote address to the … was it 2013? No, 2018 graduating class of Cleburne High and the title of it was Enjoy the Journey. My advice is set goals and stretch your legs with goals, but don’t get so caught up in where you’re going that you miss the journey.

God has a path and a plan for each one of us that’s unique, a path that has commonality with other people and other things historically, but also is unique. I think we get so caught up in the destination sometimes of where we want to go, whether it’s professionally, family, that we forget to enjoy the small things along the way. Let me give you an example if I could unpack that.

With my first born, I was very goal oriented and very regimented, and very inflexible as a dad and training him. I had an opportunity with my oldest son. He was about three. I was in law school and I was washing the car. I was so focused on getting the car done and I had a system. I would rinse it, soap it, rinse it, wipe it and go clockwise. A little OCD about it. My three year old son wanted to be with daddy and do it. I thought, okay that’s fine.

Mayor Scott Cain:

So I’m walking through, going through my system, and he’s back behind me after I’ve rinsed and dried with a soapy sponge, getting it dirty, which caused me delay. I got more upset because I was so focused on getting the car done that I missed the opportunity of that joy just being there at that moment. I heard the story of Fred Rogers giving an interview one time. The guy that was conducting the interview said, “Mr. Rogers. I know your time is valuable and you’ve got so many things going on and everything.”

Fred Rogers told him, he said, “You know what the most important thing in my life is?” He was thinking about world peace, transforming the lives of children. He says, “You and what’s in this conversation at this moment.” Later on, he unpacked that. What Fred Rogers talked about was live in the moment, don’t be so distracted by everything else going on. I get told all the time, how do you juggle all these different things with all the different hats you wear? Live in the moment.

Like right now, Will, this conversation is the most important thing in my life. It took us a while to get here, so I want to enjoy this moment of just sharing what God has shown me through my life and my career in as much time as you need. So that’s my advice. Enjoy the journey. You only get it once. Time is the one thing you can’t get back.

Will:

As kind of a final question here, what advice would you give to me and maybe my listeners who might be listening on how to be more involved in the local community? What advice do you give to citizens to encourage them to help make Cleburne a more prosperous and happy place to live?

Mayor Scott Cain:

That’s a really good question. Two parts to it. One, this community is your community. We all have a role to play in it. It’s not just the mayor’s job or the chief of police, or the city manager, or council members. But we all have a role to play to work together to make Cleburne a unique, one of a kind city. So get plugged in, do something, but don’t just do something for the sake of doing it.

I tell people all the time, they say, “Hey, put me on a committee.” I’m like, “Well, tell me what you want to do.” They’re like, “Well, tell me what your needs are.” I’m like, “No, tell me what you’re passionate about and let’s find a way to get you plugged in doing something community-wide with where your passions are, where you’re wired, how you’re geared, how you’re made.

Because if you’re just doing something for service, you’re going to burn out. It’s not going to be fulfilling. But if you’re doing something that you’re passionate about, that you love, then you’re bringing all of your skill sets, your passion, and what God’s created you to do to this group effort.

So I will tweak committees and stuff. Instead of just putting a warm body in a position, let’s find people that have the training, expertise and passion for that area, and let’s plug them in and do that. So what I’m really talking about is this, and this is my challenge to Cleburne. 10 years ago, this community really was in a bad place. Morale was low and we thought our best days were behind us, that when the railroad left that was it, and we were on the decline.

Over the last 10 years, we’ve been given a lifeline with the toll road and we’re seeing tremendous growth, and our community has really turned things around very quickly, and we’ve geared up and prepared for the future. So my challenge to Cleburne now is, over the next 10 years, let’s become the city by which every other community measures success.

Mayor Scott Cain:

Whether it’s business leaders, be the best business you can be and look at how you can be a part of a business community. Our churches, be the best church you can be. Our families, be the best family you can be. The way you do it is two things, work on customer service development. Improve how you deliver your services. Two, adapt some sort of a total quality management philosophy.

Always improve. It’s like my English teacher told me when I was in fourth grade. I’ll leave you with this.

When she was talking about using the proper word for good or when to use better or when to use best in a sentence, she said it like this. Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Till your good is better, still better best. So always strive to improve and always strive to move forward. Never rest on your laurels and figure you’ve arrived. There’s always another level we can go to.

So in 10 years, I want other communities to look at Cleburne, whether it’s a business community, churches, city, within the city departments, individuals. I want them to look at Cleburne and say, “That’s our motto. That’s who we want to be. That’s what it’s really about at the end of the day.”

Will:

Excellent. Mayor, thank you so much for doing this for me. I had a blast visiting with you. I’d hope that maybe we could get into some baseball, but maybe for another time. I hope people listening might get some value from this conversation. Folks, you can check out the show notes and the highlights of things that we’ve talked about. With that, thank you Scott for giving me the opportunity today and I hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you. Take care.

Mayor Scott Cain:

Thanks, Will. As I always say, it’s a great day in Cleburne and tomorrow is even looking brighter. So thanks for the time.

Will:

That’s awesome. Thank you. 

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